Ayatollahs
I believe most of the people in this forume are young people and may have a vivid imagination about the revolution. I was a teenager during revolution and those days one of the main reason that we made the revolution because the country was corrupt and the shah was became so self centered that any geniune complain was answered by his iron fist, the SAVAK. Economic wise Iran was strong and most of the iranian living outside iran was well educated and thanks to shah regime the oppertunity was given to iranian to send their children to europe and america for further study. I beleive that shah was geniune in pushing iran into a powerful economic state removing its independency from west especially from amrica. In one of his interview when iran was building the biggest petrochemical in the world he said that because of the size of his refinerry he will buy all the oils from persian gulf state and all the west must go through iran to have an excess to the oil. His speech was a warning shot to the west that is why west planned to tople the shah. The first ignition of uprising was when the REAKS cinema was set on fire and more than 200 men, women and children was burned alive. All the opposition was pointing their finger at shah and the shah failed to defend itself. After revoultion the people who set this crime confessed that this was fatwa order by a high clergy man which turned out to be Khomenie. During the revolution, people turned to Islam because being muslim, Islam will give them identity and the iranian people will be no puppet of any power and people have their own destiny. Most of the Iranian (including myself) saw khomeni as a saviour for iran. We thought that khomeni will be irans Ghandi. Everyone thought that Khomeni is an old man and also being grand ayatollah he can establish a true Islamic state where everbody will be treated equal. When Khomeni was in France he allowed the member of communist parties to come and meet him and he repaetedly said thet his mission is to save the iranian people and after revolution he takes no part in the politics of iran and all iranian people are free to express their rights and he showed himself in a way that all the commuinst have accepted Khomeni as their leader and funnly they all prayed behind him(imagine communist who does not believe in god which is the fundation of all religion prayed with Khomeni). This gave the iranian people heart to get ride of shahs regime and masses of people came to airport when Khomenie flew to iran. Khomeni could have been the true Ghandi of iran if he kepts his promises. AND HOW WRONG WE WERE. Don't get me wrong the movement at the heart of revolution was geniune and masses was on move and the goal was to have a true democracy under islamic law. The first sign of true face of khomeni showed when he said plainly that he has got no feeling returing to iran!!!! Now let me ask u a question how many of u had tears in their eyes when the plane u are travelling is going to land in the airport within 5-10 minutes and u can see tehran. u may hold back the tears but inside u, u are jumping with joy like a little child. But this mother****er had no feeling. The other signs were when he gave immunity to the forces and said they will be treated fairly but after the revolution he killed all the generals with no mercy. Then when iran-iraq war started he called it blessing from allah. When iranian troops captured Khoramshar and iraq was begging to iran to stop and pay for damages and even Khamenie, Rafsanjani and others asked him to stop the war he replied "pray for me to die so that u can make the peace agreement and will no do this till iam alive." but what happened he was forced to sign the peace agreement as he said "JAME ZAHER ra khordam va abroyeeh khodam ra ba khoda moaimeleeh kardam". As simple as that he was stopped and lots of lives being wasted because of his ego and lajbazie. During his rein he made a blood bath in iran to the extend that motazirie, his succesor, on an open letter mentioned that his SAVAK made the shah SAVAK "ROO SAFID". Khomeni has given his security forces an open hand to do whatever to the political prisoner. Most of the girls who were caputred when there were selling or giving their newspapaer to the public being raped by several pasdar and later executed. Pregnant women being raped by several pasdar and later excuted with their unborn child. Opposition leader being beheaded or being killed by bombs. Khomeni's crime is much heaver than Khamenie. On the scale of cruilty Khomenie outflang Khamenie by light years. At least it took Khamenie several days to speak up and crush the demonstration; in Khomeni case same day. He would,t give the opposition any chance to breath. Just look at what he did to montazarie and sharietmadary, the ayatollah who saved the ****ing life of Khomeni's live by granting him ayatollah when shah decided to kill Khomeni in 1960s. In recent uprising, Other mulluhs had express their discomfort of the leader handeling; in Khomenis time they would not dare to even piss let alone voice their opposition. Some people may argue that Khomeni was not corrput because he had no money in foriegn banks. He didn't need to because he felt he owns iran and iranian people so any critisim would have dealt so severely that will make adolf hitler jessus christ. on the last note all mullahs are ****ing same and for their survival they kill and destory everthing. Khomeni is an ideal example.
Women
What I am trying to say is, Where are all the women? All you see in every scene is men. And men tend to feed on each other and they whip themselves into the mob mentality. And there is no voice of reason. Its a fact that women civilize men. Men are better behaved when women are around. That is what a gentelman is.
#Neda
1) part of this discussion is a generational difference. I think back to the reaction of the WWII generation and their kids, the Flower Power, etc and massive anti-war (Vietnam) protests that included the Kent State debacle and bombings of university lab thought to be “colluding” with the defense department. (I will try to not let you know my age)
2) this, the Burmese, and so many others demonstrate the power, the necessity and the foresight of the American Founding Fathers. I rather think that placing the Right to Free Speech and the Separation of Church and state as first and foremost of the amendments, and, actually making it an amendment (actually more prominent this way) was brilliant. And so, it is imperative that we maintain the 4th Estate – whether as electronic or print media.
The Internet blogging, reporting does place another level on the 4th Estate. This is why we are all part and parcel of the 4th Estate in some way – to bear witness and report what we know, whether it be in an office, on the street, in a shop, …. (Yes, we know about the difficulty of “fact checking”, but all publications are not equal. The National Enquirer and People are also members of the 4th Estate, just as CNN, NYT and WSJ.)
But, this also shows the power of picture and esp video over words alone. The power of words is to evoke those pictures. (too bad about Kodachrome)
3) I wondered as I watched many of the YouTube videos that there were no arms with the demonstrators. I figured as much re: ban on firearms. (Again, a reason for the 2nd Amendment. The Founding Fathers were fearful that the fledgling republic might lose its way and require, well, what we saw in 1861.)
Gotta tell you, though. As I saw those silly Basij on their motor scooters, I was just itching for a good bullwhip, a la Indiana Jones style. (I am also well aware of the result of a good strong rope that suddenly pulled up (esp to neck height) would have done. I’m told that long ago, a relative was killed that way.)
4)for the mother, the problem was which of her beliefs was more inviolate. In this case, it was that a religious person could do not wrong. This trumped what she could see. The real question is if that would continue to be her reaction if she had been in the street with her, been physically present in her dying.
2) this, the Burmese, and so many others demonstrate the power, the necessity and the foresight of the American Founding Fathers. I rather think that placing the Right to Free Speech and the Separation of Church and state as first and foremost of the amendments, and, actually making it an amendment (actually more prominent this way) was brilliant. And so, it is imperative that we maintain the 4th Estate – whether as electronic or print media.
The Internet blogging, reporting does place another level on the 4th Estate. This is why we are all part and parcel of the 4th Estate in some way – to bear witness and report what we know, whether it be in an office, on the street, in a shop, …. (Yes, we know about the difficulty of “fact checking”, but all publications are not equal. The National Enquirer and People are also members of the 4th Estate, just as CNN, NYT and WSJ.)
But, this also shows the power of picture and esp video over words alone. The power of words is to evoke those pictures. (too bad about Kodachrome)
3) I wondered as I watched many of the YouTube videos that there were no arms with the demonstrators. I figured as much re: ban on firearms. (Again, a reason for the 2nd Amendment. The Founding Fathers were fearful that the fledgling republic might lose its way and require, well, what we saw in 1861.)
Gotta tell you, though. As I saw those silly Basij on their motor scooters, I was just itching for a good bullwhip, a la Indiana Jones style. (I am also well aware of the result of a good strong rope that suddenly pulled up (esp to neck height) would have done. I’m told that long ago, a relative was killed that way.)
4)for the mother, the problem was which of her beliefs was more inviolate. In this case, it was that a religious person could do not wrong. This trumped what she could see. The real question is if that would continue to be her reaction if she had been in the street with her, been physically present in her dying.
Democracies
I disapprove of democracy, because democracy guarantees that the lowest, most base and spiritually bankrupt men inevitably lay their hands on the instruments of power. In fact, it has been designed that way. The legacy of democracy is the greatest and most murderous crimes and outrages against the very fabric of human existence itself.
Electoral democracy is the rule over the masses through a predictable mathematical method of control which defines its parameters and its lines of communications. People vote, and it changes nothing.
I support no system of government, except for perhaps a flexible template based on the early Medina model of Islamic Khaliphite. But those who believe that democracy places power in the hands of the people are wrong, dead wrong. It was not so designed, nor does the possibility exist for it to do so; except insofar as it may create the illusion of "government of the people, by the people and for the people" (ironic that that quote should come from Lincoln: a Republican. But look at the freak show that party has degenerated into). At best, it offers only the possibility of causing governmental change in areas that cannot, in the long run, threaten the oligarchical top of the pyramid, nor affect any real change in the structure of society itself.
Democracy is a smokescreen, a political sleight of hand. It never was anything else, nor can it ever be anything else. It is a brilliantly orchestrated lie that generation after generation fall for and not only believe, but fight with their very lives to preserve. Consider the Orwellian Doublethink necessary for those who claim to be Republicans to constantly yap on and on about "democracy"; when the essence of their own party is in opposition to this.
And I promise you that those in power have a, let's be kind and say, cavalier attitude toward their underlings. Make no mistake about the attitude of the rulers of this world toward their servants. Napoleon once bragged that he could get men to sacrifice their lives in exchange for a piece of cloth. Once the wife of a German general complained to Hitler about the young men who were dying in the war. He looked at her incredulously and said "But that's what they're there for!"
And in recent years, young men are sent to slaughter and be slaughtered in Persia and Southeast Asia. They are told they are fighting for "Freedom and Democracy", and have the rhetoric of honor and patriotism on their lips: and all the while multinational corporations and banking cartels become richer and richer, and all the world's wealth is moved toward a smaller and smaller group of men to the impoverishment of all others. And the "leaders" make speeches about how "proud they are of the sacrifices our boys are making". It is no different from communism (except in the matter of distribution of resources), its power inevitably centers around a small group of people.
It can never be otherwise.
Obama? To be sure, Obama's policies are different from Bush's, and I believe him to be a good man. I voted for him because Ron Paul was not running - and I would have rather disemboweled myself with a butter knife than vote for McCain and Palin (I wonder: did the GOP deliberately throw the election? Did they take a dive? And on who's orders? You suppose that when the Bush administration "bought" a controlling interest in the banks, the presidency was no longer necessary?)
But why did Obama appoint a hard core Zionist to Chief of State? Why does he go on about keeping jobs in the US and then appointing as his Secretary of Commerce a staunch supporter of outsourcing? Why does he consider Israel "our friends" whom "we must protect", when in reality they're sucking billions out of our economy and playing the US (such as it is) like a cheap violin (and doing to Palestine the same thing the Nazis did to the Jews - more democracy!!)?" Why did he push the economic stimulus bill through when the only people really gaining from it are the banking oligarchy and the multinational corporations?
Last September, there was a moment where the entire world's economy was three hours away from total economic collapse. Why does he not admit the real cause of this: that the entire system simply does not work and only exists to make bankers richer? I'll tell you why. Because all these people have his - or any president's - you know what in a vice grip.The office of the president has no real power. He is answerable not to congress, the people, or the constitution: he's answerable only to the corporate economic power structure.
I tell you this:if Obama doesn't play ball by their rules, if he actually makes the changes that truly need to be made, he'll end up like Kennedy - and his "martyrdom" would be "spin-doctored" into more rhetorical to support the "democratic" power structure. When the bottom drops out of the economy, "they" won't be able to save their oily hides except by declaring martial law,pushing the NAU into existence, and a civil war starts. Which, of course, will bring everyone to whom the US owes money (and Israel, who will betray us at the earliest conceivable opportunity) rolling in with guns, tanks, jet bombers, etc. to cut out a piece for themselves. When this happens, watch what he says.
Besides the White House takes its orders from the Federal Reserve, and has done so since president Wilson submissively handed the wealth and economic power of the US to a private group of bankers in 1913. The National Security Act of 1947 pretty much abolished the Constitution (1947: the same year the terrorist nation Israel came into being. Coincidence?). So, where does that leave us??? Where's this precious democracy now?
This BS piles up so high you could use it to build a suspension bridge to the moon, two luxury hotels on Mars, and have enough left over for an Exxon-Mobil gas station on Venus. Change?? The more things change, the more it stays the same.
Sorry folks, I ain't drinking the Kool-Aid!
This is Democracy. And unless we accept the "2012" rhetoric, or we find a way to bring about a collective apotheosis; human nature itself is unlikely to evolve beyond its basic hierarchical primate behavioral template any time soon.
Theocracies
What we are seeing in Iran is the obvious result of allowing religious nutters to have political power. And who allowed it? The millions of people howling in the streets for the return of "the Ayatollah" all those years ago. Religious power comes from the unthinking support of the people - we usually get the governments we deserve. And please stop using the words "Iran" and "Democracy" in the same sentence. How can it be a democracy if some nutter at the top, supported by his pious goons, picks the runners?
It's been an interesting experiment over the last couple of years or so. Faced with leaving the infrastructure of traditional record labels and figuring out what the right thing to do is in this new world - I found myself realizing that for me to have any concept of how to interact with the community and know what they might want / what they find appropriate, I need to immerse myself in that world and live it for a while. The reason no record label knows how to market anything to new media is they don't live there. They don't get it because they don't use it. What you've seen happen with the marketing and presentation of NIN over the last years is a direct result of living next to you, listening to you, consuming with you and interacting with you. Directly. There's no handlers or PR people here, it's me and my guys - that's it. There's no real plan, even - it's just trying to do the right thing that respects you the fan, the music, and me the artist. That's the goal - a mutual and shared respect.
When Twitter made it's way to my radar I looked at it as a curiosity, then started experimenting. I thought it through and in light of where I was / am in my career I decided to lower the curtain a bit and let you see more of my personality. I watched some of you get more engaged because you started to realize there's a person (flaws and all) back there, and I watched some of you recoil in horror because I'm not what you projected on me. All expected. I'm not as concerned about "breaking" your idea of NIN at this point. It is what it is and I am what I am. The relationship between artist and fan is changing if you haven't noticed, along with the way we consume and experience music and even communicate since the internet arrived.
The problem with really getting engaged in a community is getting through the clutter and noise. In a closed environment like nin.com a lot of this can be moderated away, or code can be implemented to make it more difficult for troublemakers to persist. It's tedious and feels like wasted energy doing that shit, but some people exist to ruin it for others - and they are the ones who have nothing better to do with their time. Example: on nin.com, there's 3-4 different people that each send me between 50 - 100 message per day of delusional, often threatening nonsense. We can delete them, but they just sign back up and start again. Yes, we are implementing several changes to address this, but the point is it quickly gets very old weeding through that stuff.
Back to Twitter. I approached that as a place to be less formal and more off-the-cuff, honest and "human". I was not expecting to broadcast details of my love life there, but it happened because I'm in love and it's all I think about and that's that. If this has bummed you out or destroyed what you've projected on me, fair enough - it's probably time for you to leave. You are right, I'm not the same person I was in 1994 (and I'm happy about that). Are you?
Looks like the Metal Sludge contingency has discover Twitter! Finally! For those of you that don't know what this is, please let me explain. Metal Sludge is the home of the absolutely worst people I've ever come across. It's populated mainly by unattractive plump females who publicly fantasize about having sex with guys in bands. Kind of like a role-playing game where people NOBODY will fuck make up stories about their incredible sexual encounters with people they WISH they could fuck. It would be kind of funny in a sad and pathetic way except the fun doesn't stop there - hate and good old-fashioned outright blatant racism are also encouraged to spice things up and remind you how truly ugly these scourges are. TRULY ugly on the inside (the outside is obvious).
Cutter's tip for my friends there: remember to cut along the length of vein, not across. Bigger payoff.
So when you see the new accounts that pop up daily on Twitter spewing exactly the kind of thing I just discussed, usually from picture-less creatively named profiles, spewing hate at Mariqueen and I, take a moment to visualize the sad couple people behind them.
A few years ago some people tuned me in to that world and when I figured out who these people were, I was amazed that I'd been seeing them in the front rows of the shows for months. I really don't understand what kind of "fan" spends that kind of time and money to travel across the country seeing a band, to then dedicate an incredible amount of time and energy into non-stop hate diatribes online. That one puzzles me a little.
Anyway, I'm bored on a long bus drive and there's no real moral to the story here, just writing. I will be tuning out of the social networking sites because at the end of the day it's now doing more harm than good in the bigger picture and the experiment seems to have yielded a result. Idiots rule.
I had thought a while ago about attempting to start a mainstream public forum that required real verification of it's participants for purposes of context. The idea was to have a place where you can actually discuss whatever and have some idea of who you're conversing with. For example, if we were discussing drumming techniques and you can see that someone participating in the discussion is a drum instructor vs. a 13 year old kid Googling answers, you'd have the proper context in which to have a potentially valid discussion. If we were discussing EDLC's heart condition and a real cardiologist speaks up, I'd value his opinion over, say FredFuckFaceWhateverHisLastFuckingNameIs's "opinion". Know what I mean? Anyway, we're in a world where the mainstream social networks want any and all people to boost user numbers for the big selloff and are not concerned with the quality of experience.
With all of that said, I have business in the real world to attend to including wrapping up the live version of NIN, DOING some cool new shit and spending as much time as possible with the most amazing woman in the world.
Civility
I don't know when this happened, but it seems that everyone, everywhere is absolutely convinced that the opinion they hold is the only true and right opinion. Respect for each other is non-existent, or so it seems. I have my opinions, but they are just that. My opinions. They are my truth, but I would never expect them to neccessarily be your truth. I am constantly amazed that there is a growing disconnect in our society because people seem to believe they are right, and therefore it follows that everyone else is wrong. That's just amazing, and amazingly wrong. This country is becoming so polarized that it seems there will be no returning to common courtesy or civility. Just because you say something loud enough, that doesn't mean it's right. Just an observation from an outsider.
Sellouts
It's not about money and it's not about him trying to sell us a product.
But, man, put a shirt on, sit behind a desk and do it. Gyrating half-naked like he did on-stage when he was twenty, scandalizing crowds, is simply turning himself into a caricature.
What was once sexy, dionysian, provocative performance is now reduced to a harmless, limp marketing tool. Unless it's meant as some sort of self-depricating, ironic humour.
Sure, times have changed but still, some things should be held sacred.
Pantheism
What attracts me to pantheism is its meaning is found through initiative, action and experience. There's no compulsion to force others to live according to my means, nor any reason to submit to the will of another.
My existence compels my action. I have the capability of reasoning out means towards ends and by this experience over my lifetime I have come to the recent conclusion that pantheism is a good form of a worldview. This perspective encourages me to act morally for its own reward, not by commandment of a supreme being. So yes, my heart has been captured by my own experiences.
It's somewhat less structural from your perspective on God but for me it encourages goodness because as long as I am a part of god and the universe than it is in my best interest to act morally (resist aggression). It would not make rational sense to lie or cheat or steal because I cannot possibly separate myself from my own victim or the environment. So yes I certainly have the power to do whatever I want but my own destructive actions destroy only myself and only LOVE has the power to create or restore. If I have the ability through experience and reason to believe this to be true than a supreme separate being isn't necessary to facilitate me with a moral code by command.
My existence compels my action. I have the capability of reasoning out means towards ends and by this experience over my lifetime I have come to the recent conclusion that pantheism is a good form of a worldview. This perspective encourages me to act morally for its own reward, not by commandment of a supreme being. So yes, my heart has been captured by my own experiences.
It's somewhat less structural from your perspective on God but for me it encourages goodness because as long as I am a part of god and the universe than it is in my best interest to act morally (resist aggression). It would not make rational sense to lie or cheat or steal because I cannot possibly separate myself from my own victim or the environment. So yes I certainly have the power to do whatever I want but my own destructive actions destroy only myself and only LOVE has the power to create or restore. If I have the ability through experience and reason to believe this to be true than a supreme separate being isn't necessary to facilitate me with a moral code by command.
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I don’t know how you missed what kicked off Iran’s 1979 Islamic Revolution: not mosques, but cassette tapes. A few hundred produced in France quickly became a few thousand copied in Iran and then tens of thousands such that everyone heard them, and not primarily in mosques. The other thing that made that revolution a big success is that we, the United States, had made utter fools out of ourselves by first overthrowing their democracy, then helping the Shaw regain power, and then supporting that monster until he was thrown out. Of course we haven’t been happy about Iran since 1979. While apparently correct that the Ayatollah and others are scrambling in the wake of the current stolen election and its aftermath, there is nothing like the Shaw to be overthrown.
The secularization of societies is an inevitable trend. The more Mr. Obama takes advantage of this trend, the faster it’ll happen, leading to eventual peace. Those in power will always go reluctantly, but their age weighs against them as well as the shape of the secular future. Your valiant attempt to force the various parties and technological agents into a clever model will never be fruitful. Turn back to more facts, more straightforward idea, fewer distortions (like who started the Israeli-Hezbollah conflict), and no gimmicks to help us understand this complex situation.